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Home > Ratification of the Constitution > Elliot's Debates > Volume 5 > Debates in the Congress of the Confederation, from November 4, 1782, to June 21, 1783; and from February 19 to April 25, 1787.
On motion of Mr. LEE, who had been absent when the report was yesterday negatived, the matter was reconsidered. The plan of taking the sense of Congress on the several points, as yesterday proposed by Mr. Madison, was generally admitted as proper. The first question proposed in committee of the whole by Mr. MADISON, was: Shall a valuation of land within the United States, s directed by the Articles of Confederation, be immediately attempted?Eight ayes; New York, only, no. The states present were New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina; Rhode Island, one member; Maryland, one. By Mr. WILSON Q. Shall each state be called on to return to the United States, in Congress assembled, the number of acres granted to, or surveyed for, any person, and also the number of buildings within it?Eight ayes; North Carolina, nosupposing this not to accord with the plan of referring the valuation to the states, winch was patronized by that delegation, A supplement to this question was suggested as follows: Q. Shall the male inhabitants be also returned, the blacks and whites being therein distinguished?Ay; North Carolina, nofor the same reason as above, Connecticut divided. By Mr. MADISON Q. Shall the states be called on to return to Congress an estimate of the value of their lands, with the buildings and improvements within each, respectively? After some discussion on this point in which the inequalities which would result from such estimates were set forth at large, and effects of such an experiment in Virginia had been described by Mr. Mercer, and a comparison of an average valuation in Pennsylvania and Virginia, which amounted in the latter to fifty per cent. more than in the former,although the real value of land in the former was confessedly thrice that of the latter,had been quoted by Mr. Madison, the apprehensions from a reference of any thing more to the states than a report of simple facts increased; and on the vote the states were as follows: New Hampshire, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia, noMr. Bland, ay; Mr. Lee, silent; Connecticut, North Carolina, South Carolina, ay; New York, divided: so it passed in the negative. By Mr. MADISON Q. Shall a period be now fixed, beyond which the rule to be eventually established by Congress shall not be in force?ay, unanimously. By Mr. MADISON Q. What shall that period be? Connecticut was again for three years; which being rejected, five years passed unanimously. By Mr. MADISON Q. Shall the rule so to be established have retrospective operation, so far as may be necessary for liquidating and closing the accounts between the United States and each particular state?ay; Connecticut, no. Mr. DYER and Mr. MERCER understood this as making the amount of the several requisitions of Congress, and not of the payments by the states, the standard by which the accounts were to be liquidated, and thought the latter the just quantum for retrospective appointment. Their reasoning, however, was not fully comprehended.
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